INDUS,IRAQ and TAMILS
INDUS,IRAQ and TAMILS
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RSR
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.....This is a long and disjointed post.
The following points are stressed.
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INDUS VALLEY CIVILIZATION is dated from 3000 BC. thanks to the Archeologist
John Marshal.
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Aryans were cattle growing tribes from the shores of CASPIAN Sea
Turkmenistan, uzbekistan region.
Kurds, scattered in north iran, north iraq, north syria and eastern turkey.
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They spoke a language similar to Greek, Latin and Sanskrit and Persian (iran).
Tamil is not derived from sanskrit
Perhaps, kurdish people, who are now fragmented into three areas in Iran, Syria and Turkey are closest to Aryans.
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Indus people were Lingam worshipers
They were saivites.
They were idol worshipers.
They worshiped the Bull. Rishaba vaahana
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.Aryans were not idol worshipers.
Aryans did not have any priests.
Aryans were pastoral people.
Cow and horse, typical ranchers.
They did not know agriculture
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Tamils are not Indus people.
Tamils are not aryans either.
Tamils are the original native population
of India..YAADHAVAS.
They were living in the entire gangetic plain, rajasthan, UP, Bihar, and Bengal.
They were living in gujarath and maharashtra as well.
In Bengal their surname is GHOSH. Goshal
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The vedic literature refers to tamils as Panccha janas...five fold people..ainthinai makkal.
Hill region.. kurinji
Murgan ..saeyon
Foothills region..mullai
Maayon..krushna , thirumal
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Dry lands.. paalai
kotravai, kaali
Sea shore. . Neythal
Fishermen
marudham.. river valley
Indran ..vaenthan or king
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Aryans were fire worshipers.
Horse breeders.
Indus people were lingam and pasupathy worshipers. Agriculture and overseas trade.
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Tamils were primarily, kaali, thirumaal and murugan worshipers.
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It is likely that the original tamils were kaali and murugan worsipers only.
In ceylon, we have
kandasamy koil and kathirkaamam.
No peru maal koil or sivan koil.
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As civilization evolved, they became thirumaal worshipers.
This is the picture that we get from Sangam literature.
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There is absolutely no doubt that aryans came from central asia. They were nomadic tribes. It was a great migration.
The migration took over many ancient civilizations in greece, turkey, caucus, persia, and finally in indus region.
The aryans were nomadic tribal groups. They did not have any varna or caste differences but there was intense inter-tribe rivalry .
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The Egyptian, Mesapotamian and Indus civilizations were contemporaneous.
To understand and learn more about these and also about China and Japan,
Please read the book by
Will Durant..-
OUR ORIENTAL HERITAGE.
i will give link to the free book.
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Lokamaanya Baala Gangadhar Thilak says that the aryans came from very cold place in siberia.
The Arctic home of Aryans.
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Nehruji gives very fine
picture in Glimpses of world history.
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The Aryans were fire worshipers.
Ancient iranians, the Parsis, also were fire worshipers.
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For understanding about indus valley civilizatiin, we must read Kosambi.
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The Indus civilization had no
Army.
The society was led by intelligensia. Priestly class.
The chief priest was like a king. Very likely that the priestly class was not allowed to marry. Like the catholic priests.
Let us remember that pope was the real ruler all over europe , even today in catholic countries.
Dancing girls were attached to the sivalingam temples and the priests had union with them.
That is the basis for devadasi system.
There was no private property for either the priestly class or the agricultural labourers.
All land belonged to the temple.
The priestly class lived in simple homes near the temple. Agraharam. .
The temple always had a tank. The priestly class gave much importance to ceremonial purity.
In the Indus system, as all the land belonged to the temple, god was the notional king.
It is known as devasthaanam
The temples were all sivalingam temples.
Phallic worship.
The labouers were paid subsistence wages in the form of grains. The surplus grain belonged to the temple.
There were no kings. And nobles.
The priests arranged the surplus to be traded with IRAQ..the mesapotamian kingdoms ...known as sumerian civilization.
It had 4 kingdoms.
1. Sumerian in far south Iraq,
Perhaps, the region of Kuwait,
The central iraq was known as Chaldea. Laterday Babylon.
The northern portion was known as Assyria. It corresponds to syria ,lebanon of today.
What is more amazing, there was a small area known as Elamite civilization. It was situated on the Iran side of the persian gulf.
Nehruji mentions it in his Glimpses.
The elamite civilization was cestroyed by the assyrian and chaldean kingdoms.
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So, who are the Tamils?
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Tamils are the people from IRAQ and the Levant...present day, israel, palestine and ,lebanon.
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VVS Iyer surmised that the Tamils were great seafarers
And took their civilization to Iraq via the gulf.
But it is more likely that the iraquis and palestinians came to kerala and tamilnadu by sea even before 1000 BC.
Read Father Heras.
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Who were the original inhabitants of tamilnadu then?
Humanity has 5 races.
1. Negroid
Africa
2. Nordic
(swedsn, norway, finland)
3. Mongoloid
Mongolia, china, japan, indo china, indonesia, burma, malaya, korea, burma, tibet, assam
4. Austrloid
Ceylon, south india, gangetic plains,
5. Mediterranean
Kerala, goa, konkan, coastal maharashtra
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Tamils are a mixture of predominantly australoid people and mediterranean races.
Anthropologist HEIMENDORF says that sumerians were pandyans,
Chaldeans were cholas and assyrians were cheras.
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The merchant class was very properous. They lived in huge mansions. They lived in well Planned cities.
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Around 2000 BC, aryan tribes attacked the cities.
They had great contempt for people and priests who were worshipping the lingam, union of penis and vulva.
The aryans called them sisina vadhins.
The aryans worshipped
The natural forces like air, sky, moon, sun, monsoon winds, water,
They were against idol worship.
They believed that the fire god was the messenger who will take the offerings to celestial gods.
The aryans because of their tribal solidarity and hardihood easily defeated
The indus organization, because, the indus society did not have any army, king, fortress and even arms..
However, they took to agriculture . They learned it from indus workers and priests.
The priestly class then understood the importance of defence.
The aryans though they were winners were unable to get the cooperation of agrarian workers and merchants because they listened to the guidance of the priestly class only.
So the aryan clan leaders, came to an agreement with indus priests and people.
They promised that they will abide by the guudance of priests .
The Indus priestly class learned the language of the aryans. Sanskrit.
Thus was born the varna system.
The indus priests now came to be known as brahmins.
Note.
Brahmins are not
ARYANS
They were the Indus priestly class, who learned the languge of the conquering aryans and built on the poetry of the bards of aryans.
Something like english educated indians.
The aryan warriors and the war leaders were classified
as kshatriyas.
The Indus traders were classified as vaisyas.
And the labouring people who worked in temple lands were desugnated as sudras.
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This is known as INDO ARYAN CIVILIZATION..
There is no fifth varna.
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This cultural fusion took
Place in 2000 BC.
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Due to climate change, the Indo Aryans left the western
Indus and moved east into the Gangetic plains of uttar pradesh.
At that time , 2000 BC, the gangetic plain was very thick forest. So, the indo-aryans burnt the woods and formed thousands of villages and settlements.
These were known as janapadhas.
Bihar, bengal, mathsyadesam near delhi, indraprastha in haryana, sind, rajasthan, gurjaram, magadha in patna,
Surasena, gandaram jn afganisthan. Kaamarupam in assam.and many more.
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The original aryan tribe had women and children
As they were the ruling and warrior class, it was easy for them to take good looking women of darker complexion from vaisyas, priests and labouring class.
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Sangam tamils are NOT Indus people. They are iraquis.
The mesapotamian civilization was the most advanced compared to egyptian, and indus cultures.
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They had a writing system.
Hieroglyphics.
They wrote on clay tablets,
They had a legal system.
The code of Hammurabi.
They had a huge library.
The tamils lived in the banks of yamuna river. It was known as mathsya desam.Surasena janapadham was nearby.
They lived in rajasthan and gujarat also.
The major community among them was yadhavas.
Even today, yadavs form large part of bihar and uttar pradesh and even bengal.
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The tamils, came to India in two streams. Ons stream through sea to tiruchendur.
At the time of king solomon of palesfine..they were wodshippers of murugan. Seval kodiyon.
They were not lingam worshippers.
All over india, people worshipped Mother goddess.
Aryans did not.
Aryans were patriarchal.
Indus people worshipped pashpathy sivan and lingam.
.There is absolutely no reference to sivan in sangam literature.
.There is absolutely no reference to sivan, lingam.
In sangam literature.
I remember to have read somewhere that the Krushna story owes a lot to Greeks.
I would rather say that the alexandrian greeks were captivated by the bagavatam story of surasena and mathsya desa janapadha mathura folklore and celebrated them.
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The Pandyas , Cheras and Cholas of far south India were originally residents of ganga'yamuna do aab at the time of Mahabaratha war in 1000 BC. Cholas from gaandharam ..afganistan..
As clearly and unambiguously confirmed by PuraNaanooru poem. Pandyans were the Tamils of yadhu clan originally from mathsya desam janapadha on the banks of yamuna river.. The poet lauds the pandya as 'panchavar aeru'.
It is a wonderful poem. It associates paandyas only , with the Thamizh language. It also says that as after all, paddy and such are nothing special, the pandyans identified themselves with pearls and sandalwood.
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"நீயே,
தண்புனற் காவிரிக் கிழவனை;
இவனே
முழுமுதல் தொலைந்த கோளி ஆலத்துக்
கொழுநிழல் நெடுஞ்சினை வீழ்பொறுத் தாங்குத்
தொல்லோர் மாய்ந்தெனத் துளங்கல் செல்லாது
நல்லிசை முதுகுடி நடுக்குஅறத் தழீஇ
இளையது ஆயினும் கிளைஅரா எறியும்
அருநரை உருமின் பெருநரைப் பொறாஅச்
செருமாண் பஞ்சவர் ஏறே;
நீயே
அறந்துஞ்சு உறந்தைப் பொருநனை;
இவனே,
நெல்லும் நீரும்
எல்லார்க்கும் எளியவென
வரைய சாந்தமும்
திரைய முத்தமும்
இமிழ்குரல் முரசம் மூன்றுடன் ஆளும்
தமிழ்கெழு கூடல்
தண்கோல் வேந்தே!
பால்நிற உருவின் பனைக்கொடி யோனும்
நீல்நிற உருவின்
நேமி யோனும்என்று
இருபெருந் தெய்வமும்
உடன் நின் றாஅங்கு
உருகெழு தோற்றமொடு உட்குவர விளங்கி
இந்நீர் ஆகலின்
இனியவும் உளவோ?
இன்னும் கேண்மின்
நும் இசை வாழியவே;
ஒருவீர் ஒருவீர்க்கு ஆற்றுதிர்; இருவீரும்
உடனிலை திரியீர்
ஆயின் இமிழ்திரைப்
பெளவம் உடுத்தஇப் பயங்கெழு மாநிலம்
கையகப் படுவது
பொய்யா காதே;
அதனால், நல்ல போலவும் நயவ போலவும்
தொல்லோர் சென்ற நெறியர் போலவும்
காதல் நெஞ்சின்நும் இடைபுகற்கு அலமரும்
ஏதில் மாக்கள்
பொதுமொழி கொள்ளாது
இன்றே போல்கநும் புணர்ச்சி; வென்றுவென்று
அடுகளத்து உயர்கநும் வேலே;
கொடுவரிக்
கோள்மாக் குயின்ற சேண்விளங்கு
தொடுபொறி
நெடுநீர்க் கெண்டையொடு பொறித்த
குடுமிய ஆகபிறர் குன்றுகெழு நாடே."
. Choazhas were sibiyans..mun kudumi horse fighters of afgan border. Siva worshippers.
Possibly,
Cheras were huns wo had settled down in Rajasthan.
Dating of Mahabaratha war as 1000 BC has been accepted by F.E.Pargiter. it is a remarkable book which i had the good luck to read. Surprisingly, the book was introduced to me by a Marxist!
I think, Jones the polygot studied VISHNUPURAANAM ,and translated it. It is comparatively short and basis for baagavatham and Naaraayaneeyam.
Thus, the far south Pandyan kingdom is the surviving connection of post vedic
Janapadhas of North India.
Tamils, especially, the far south pandyans are the true inheritors of the mahabaaratha war legacy.
Kindly allow me to say more on the roots of vaishnavism.
Many historians, brush aside the reference in sangam literature to
perum chotru uthiyalaathan.
He remained neutral in the Great war and fed both the paandavas and kouravas.
He was neutral because it was a fratricidal war and so many participants were all blood relatives.
How was it possible for kerala army to fight in haryana?
Simple.
All the three tamil kings were then living in north india. It was in 1000 BC.
If persian army of xerxes could march to anatolia troy in turkey to fight the ancient greeks..what is so improbable?
The macedonian likewise marched to Sind but his generals refused to march further fearing the huge and mighty army of magadhan empire.
Hinduism as being practised from 200 AD, is entirely shaped by puranas.
And by KaaLidasa
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More relevant is the ancient seafaring connection between the LEVANT ( palestine) and the far south east coast of Tamil country. The Thirucchendur teri
has given us many artifacts like the cock ..saeval kodiyon. And Spear.
Scientific carbon dating places it around 1000 BC, King Solomon's time.
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Even today, aazhvar thiru nagari of Nammaazhvar and Madhurakavi and the town of Nazareth are adjacent places in Thaamravarni delta railway line.
Naanguneri, ĵeeyar mutt is ancient.
The connection with the LEVANT is as ancient.
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The far south of Tamilnadu, was vaishnavite , .the invocation poem of sangam literature is by
Baaratham Paadiya
Perum thevanaar.
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Later, villillipputthoorar baratham also sang about the great war.
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Tamil country was known as pandyan land famous for its pearls ..even at the time of chandragupta mourya.
Even earlier, the nandas had invaded the deep south as sung by poet maamoolanar.
Silappathikaaram Mathuraik kaandam, aaychiyar kuravai gives a correct picture about rasa leela krishna and nappinnai.
Lovely poetry.
கன்று குணிலாக் கனி உதிர்த்த மாயவன்
இன்று நம் ஆனுள் வருமேல், அவன் வாயில்
கொன்றை அம் தீம் குழல் கேளாமோ, தோழீ!
பாம்பு கயிறாக் கடல் கடைந்த மாயவன்
ஈங்கு நம் ஆனுள் வருமேல், அவன் வாயில்
ஆம்பல் அம் தீம் குழல் கேளாமோ, தோழீ!
கொல்லை அம் சாரல் குருந்து ஒசித்த மாயவன்
எல்லை நம் ஆனுள் வருமேல், அவன் வாயில்
முல்லை அம் தீம் குழல் கேளாமோ, தோழீ!
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This stanza appears just before
Vadavaraiyai matthaakki.
வடவரையை மத்தாக்கி - சிலப்பதிகாரப்பாடல்
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பெரியவனை மாயவனைப் பேருலக மெல்லாம்
விரிகமல உந்தியுடை விண்ணவனைக் கண்ணும்
திருவடியும் கையும் திருவாயும் செய்ய
கரியவனைக் காணாத கண்ணென்ண கண்ணே
கண்ணிமைத்துக் காண்பார்தம் கண்ணென்ண கண்ணே
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மடந்தாழும் நெஞ்சத்துக் கஞ்சனார் வஞ்சம்
கடந்தானை நூற்றுவர்பால் நாற்றிசையும் போற்றப்
படர்ந்தாரணம் முழங்கப் பஞ்சவர்க்குத் தூது
நடந்தானை ஏத்தாத நாவென்ன நாவே
நாராயணா என்னா நாவென்ன நாவே!
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The scene where the ladies dance singing the praise of maayon and his mesmerizing flute music.
It is not about ladies dancing with maayon.
Mahabaaratham glorifies Lord Krushna as a peacemaker, statesman and
Preserver of draupadi's honour.
Paripaadal is one among the ancient
Eight sangam anthogies. Ettuth thokai
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There are poems about thirumaal, kumaran, vaigai river and madurai.
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In the context of aadhiseshan and vishnu, the following snippet may be of intrrest.
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Translation by Vaidehi.
Can even the sages who know your tradition tell that
somebody is your enemy or somebody is your friend?
O Thirumāl with your mount as Garudan who seized
Āthisēdan with thousand heads with his beak! O Lord
அவுணர்க்கும் முதல்வன் நீ!
அதனால் பகைவர் இவர் இவர் நட்டோர் என்னும்
வகையும் உண்டோ நின் மரபு அறிவோர்க்கே?
ஆயிர அணர்தலை அரவு வாய்க் கொண்ட
சேவல் ஊர்தியும் செங்கண் மாஅல்
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The Gita is an ideological response to
The extreme non violence of jainism and buddhism. '
pavithraaNAya sadunam, vinasaya cha dushkruthaam , dharma samsthapanarthaaya..
...counter violence may be real politik.
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But in the age of space war and nuclear disaster, who is the winner ?
The final chapter when yamaa takes dhadmaputra to show heaven and hell, when Dharmaputra hears wails from his brothers in hell and kauravas enjoying heaven, ..it is not always the just who win, perhaps?
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Fight not the evil by evil. .Jesus.
St.Mathew.
Only the near future will teach the survivors.
We do not know.
It is an irony that the liberal globalists are the agency of destruction and conservatives are trying for peace.
Read this in the context of the second
attempt.
Sangam tamils did not know or worship sivan.
They worship mother goddess Kaali only.
Sivan stuff is an import from
Gupta empire 200 AD to 600 AD.
Continued in
https://buff3r4.blogspot.com/p/mother-goddess.html
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